Scritta da Wilde al suo amato Bosie Lord Alfred Douglas mentre si trovava in carcere, questa lettera contiene i ricordi e le ossessioni di un a drammaticamente concluso Una lettera che, come un romanzo, scava nel profondo dell anima dello scrittore, dall inizio dell amicizia con il narciso Alfred Douglas fino al processo con l accusa di omosessualit e alla denigrante detenzione carceraria Il De Profundis costituisce cos un tassello fondamentale nell opera dello scrittore irlandese


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  1. °°°·.°·..·°¯°·._.· ʜᴇʟᴇɴ Ροζουλί Εωσφόρος ·._.·°¯°·.·° .·°°° ★·.·´¯`·.·★ Ⓥⓔⓡⓝⓤⓢ Ⓟⓞⓡⓣⓘⓣⓞⓡ Ⓐⓡⓒⓐⓝⓤⓢ Ταμετούρο Αμ °°°·.°·..·°¯°·._.· ʜᴇʟᴇɴ Ροζουλί Εωσφόρος ·._.·°¯°·.·° .·°°° ★·.·´¯`·.·★ Ⓥⓔⓡⓝⓤⓢ Ⓟⓞⓡⓣⓘⓣⓞⓡ Ⓐⓡⓒⓐⓝⓤⓢ Ταμετούρο Αμ says:

    Now it seems to me that love of some kind is the only possible explanation of the extraordinary amount of suffering that there is in the world I cannot conceive of any other explanation I am convinced that there is no other, and that if the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection Pleasure for the beautiful body, but pain Now it seems to me that love of some kind is the only possible explanation of the extraordinary amount of suffering that there is in the world I cannot conceive of any other explanation I am convinced that there is no other, and that if the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection Pleasure for the beautiful body, but pain for the beautiful soul De profundis , 1897, ,, , , , , , , , , ,, , , , , , , , , , , , , ,,,,De profundis


  2. Trevor Trevor says:

    It is funny how sometimes books come at you and when I say you, I mean me , sometimes almost in clusters It is almost like there really is a God and He has infinite knowledge of the universe and knows just what it is that you need to be thinking about right about now, except He is curiously shy and so He doesn t like to come right out with it and tell you directly what s on His mind So, instead, He leaves books lying around in places where you are fairly likely to trip over them and then pick It is funny how sometimes books come at you and when I say you, I mean me , sometimes almost in clusters It is almost like there really is a God and He has infinite knowledge of the universe and knows just what it is that you need to be thinking about right about now, except He is curiously shy and so He doesn t like to come right out with it and tell you directly what s on His mind So, instead, He leaves books lying around in places where you are fairly likely to trip over them and then pick them up and think about them you know, it s been a while since I read a book about someone rotting away in prison, I ought to read this Except, it hasn t been a while since I did anything of the sort Only the other week I was reading another perfectly good book written by a man who was rotting away in a perfectly good prison and that book also had him thinking about the consolation given to him by philosophy This book isn t too different from that one The Consolation of Philosophy Revised Edition The big difference is that this should probably be called the consolation of art but other than that I guess the message of both is much the same.The Message is pretty much that we are alone in the world If you are to live a life that isn t a clich you have to learn that most people don t live their own lives, they live lives that should be bound by quotation marks Most people are other people Wilde says himself They think other people s thoughts, they mouth whatever are the most popular opinions of the day, they watch the same stuff on television that everyone else does and they can even put together sentences grouped into endless paragraphs on subjects of infinite fascination as the merits of the computer generated graphics they saw in Avatar If you are going to live a worthwhile life and isn t that the only question of any interest in the whole of philosophy which is probably why it is the one question modern philosophy seems to avoid then Wilde s advice is to at least try to be yourself He acknowledges that doing that is a hard thing Christ, they might even put you in gaol if you try that sort of thing but the alternative is a much worse prison cell and one where you are both prisoner and warder, where you turn the key that locks you in yourself Eliot, of course, was wrong but being a poet he gets to be wrong as long as he is beautifully wrong We don t think of the key, each sitting in our prison thinking of the key as if that confirmed the prison the most frightening thing is that we don t think of the key at all we don t think of the key because to think of the key is to acknowledge the prison And for most of us that is too much to acknowledge Prison What prison But there is an escape plan We are individuals and life is not the ordered, rational, scientifically verifiable and graphed out hypothesis in fifteen variables that someone of the Enlightenment might have decided you ought to think it is Wilde sees the great conflict of the human soul as being that between Classicism and Romanticism and in that conflict we need to take sides and the side Wilde takes is Romanticism As he says, I am one of those who is made for exceptions, not for laws.And let s face it, we do like our victims to find forgiveness for us after we have meted out our punishments of them Wilde even discovers Christ, in a sense though, I think the Christ Wilde discovers isn t quite the same Christ that many Christians would be familiar with This is not Christ the punisher, Christ the faith healer or Christ the disappointed friend but rather a Christ who is wise enough to use children as his example to us of who we should strive to be like Such a Christ is someone worthy of being followed.His was a Christ who was the lover of ignorant people, the protector of the exceptions, the defender of those who might just prove to have a great idea.I thought this was a remarkable book and a terribly sad book too Although in the end of this Wilde, like Boethius, is not as bitter with his fate as he could so easily be, although he envisions a future life that is not dedicated to the pursuit solely of pleasure, but rather to a life that also acknowledges darker shades and minor keys art is seen as the means to free ourselves from the horrors this world presents us with dreadful, if not predictable, regularity.This was a remarkable book I found it incredibly moving and often painfully sad I think, though, that it is often good to be reminded of both the infinite harm we can cause to other people and also the near perfect gift we give that is contained in our simplest act of kindness This really is a lovely piece of writing.The stuff on Hamlet is worth reading on its own nothing is invariably good, and art must also be included in that Hamlet creating the play within the play in which to watch the effect this causes is Hamlet the artist Hamlet s madness is Hamlet the actor And this plays a great part in what is the tragedy of Hamlet.This is, like so many of Wilde s works, full of quotable quotes and so here are a quick selection of some of my favourites There were Christians before Christ For that we should be grateful The unfortunate thing is that there have been none since A man whose desire is to be something separate from himself, to be a member of parliament, or a successful grocer, or a prominent solicitor, or a judge, or something equally tedious, invariably succeeds in being what he want to be That is his punishment I must accept the fact that one is punished for the good as well as the evil that one does


  3. Piyangie Piyangie says:

    De Profundis or from the depths is a long letter written by Oscar Wild to Lord Alfred Douglas while he was imprisoned in Reading Goal The letter is Wild s attempt to come to terms with his past, present dire circumstances, and the future that he will have to face once released As the name states, the letter is an account from the depth from his soul with all honesty Although he holds that he is unjustly convicted, he nevertheless admits that he has committed grave errors in the past He i De Profundis or from the depths is a long letter written by Oscar Wild to Lord Alfred Douglas while he was imprisoned in Reading Goal The letter is Wild s attempt to come to terms with his past, present dire circumstances, and the future that he will have to face once released As the name states, the letter is an account from the depth from his soul with all honesty Although he holds that he is unjustly convicted, he nevertheless admits that he has committed grave errors in the past He is repentant on the superficial life he has had led And he seeks forgiveness and bestows forgiveness of those who he believed wronged him The letter is also a way of releasing his anger, bitterness, and despair while he struggled to find meaning and purpose for the continuation of his life He admits that he wanted to end it in utter despair But yet he struggles, despite his losses he was made bankrupt and he was barred from any contacts with his sons , to come to terms with the nature of life which he says is full of sorrow which can be endured only though love.It was truly sad to read the emotional and mental agonies that such a fine artist had to go through And when he said that he had brought disgrace to the name that his loving parents had bestowed on him, my heart broke It is a huge burden one carries with oneself This second time I managed to get hold of the complete letter that was written to Lord Alfred Douglas It gives a better picture of their relationship and how it led to Wilde s ultimate downfall The account was heartbreaking I felt his pain and despair, and couldn t help but feel that if only the society and institutions of justice weremerciful They didn t punish a man They punished art


  4. leynes leynes says:

    At the beginning of 2016, I read an abridged version of De Profundis Alongside with The Importance of Being Earnest, The Picture of Dorian Gray and Lord Arthur Savile s Crime, it was one of the first things I read by Oscar Wilde and that made me utterly and irrevocably fall in love with him After finishing the abridged version, I dived into an extensive research on Oscar and uncovered the injustices he had to face during his lifetime So, the abridged version of this letter solidified him as m At the beginning of 2016, I read an abridged version of De Profundis Alongside with The Importance of Being Earnest, The Picture of Dorian Gray and Lord Arthur Savile s Crime, it was one of the first things I read by Oscar Wilde and that made me utterly and irrevocably fall in love with him After finishing the abridged version, I dived into an extensive research on Oscar and uncovered the injustices he had to face during his lifetime So, the abridged version of this letter solidified him as my trash child, and I ll forever be grateful for that.So I m evenexcited that over two years later I finally got around to reading the full letter and let me tell you, the tea is scalding hot in that one Whilst the abridged version omitted almost all passages in which Oscar called out Bosie and his lowly ways, the full version has it all So many accusations, so many insults, so much grief, so much heartbreak Even though Oscar claims it isn t so, this letter is essentially a love letter Oscar claims that Bosie means nothing to him, that he has finally managed to break away oh, my darling child, between the lines it s so obvious how hurt, how fucking hurt, Oscar was that Bosie ignored him during his imprisonment Oscar desperately wanted to receive letters from Bosie, be visited by him, have his affection and love and when after two years, he didn t hear or see anything, he fucking snapped I have said that behind sorrow there is always sorrow It were wiser still to say that behind sorrow there is always a soul And to mock at a soul in pain is a dreadful thing De Profundis is not fun to read It is absolutely heartbreaking It s a demonstration of Oscar at his low point, you see the man for who he is, in the realest and rawest fashion no mask to hide behind, no wit and snark to conceal his vulnerability The letter is deeply personal and makes you feel like a perverted intruder or voyeur These words weren t meant for us but as the man for whom they were decided never to read them seriously, fuck you, Bosie I think Oscar wouldn t feel so bad about the public having a share in his suffering and feeling with and for him.Oscar and Bosie s love story is a tragic one Not just due to the confinements of Victorian England that rendered homosexual relationships as indecent and gross , also because the two of them, in my frank judgement, didn t belong together Their relationship was bound to be fucked up Oscar saw in Bosie the man he always wanted to be, young, beautiful, rich, admired he was unable to see Bosie for who he really was due to his idealisation of him And Bosie sought in Oscar, well, a man that could provide for him, financially and socially Bosie loved the spotlight, he loved being at the side of a man who was hailed and celebrated all over the country As soon as Oscar s success dissolved, he no longer served a purpose for Bosie This is not a tale of star crossed lovers It s a tale of two men who were bound to destroy one another In De Profundis, Oscar truthfully details their history and how he tried and continuously failed to cut off his ties to Bosie Oscar needed Bosie He couldn t let him go The question arises whether Oscar, finally, needed to destroy himself Oscar was way ahead of his time that becomes evenclear when you take into consideration that he iscelebrated than ever in the 21st century Just a few years back, the queen pardoned him for his crimes Apart from its subject matter, De Profundis is incredibly well written I honestly cannot imagine Oscar sitting down in his cell for months on end and coming up with such brilliancy He famously states in that letter I, once a lord of language, have no words in which to express my anguish and my shame Oh, honey, don t lie, the words are at your disposal as they always were Oscar manages to be brutally honest yet endearing in his appeal He compares himself to his own creations, Dorian Gray in particular Both took pleasure where it pleases me, and passed on Oscar is disgusted by his former self, his hedonism Or at least he claims he is.The thing that fucks me up the most about this letter is that it just shows the paradoxical nature of Oscar and how he, ultimately, failed and didn t fail to change his ways Let me elaborate I genuinely think that Oscar became a better person after his imprisonment He finally managed to see the faults in his excessive ways and that he basically didn t give a shit about anyone apart from himself prior to 1895 I mean, I could go on a tangent about how he mistreated his wife and how Constance deserved so much better, but we don t have the time After De Profundis, the only other two works that he published were Two Letters to the Daily Chronicle , in which he expressed his concern of the treatment of children in prisons, and The Ballad of Reading Goal , another appeal for the reform of conditions in British prisons Both works show Oscar s gain of empathy and that he was finally trying to do some good However, if you look at the bare facts of how he chose to lead his life after his release, I cannot help but shake my head Whilst he claims in his letter that he ll refuse to see Bosie again with the exception of one meeting in which he ll pick up some of his stuff from him , one of the first things he did after his release was going on a long vacation with him Ignoring Robbie Ross and all of the other people who actually stood by his side during his imprisonment, he ran back to Bosie as if it were nothing Their liaison was cut off by threats of cutting off their money Both of them parted for a final time And even though Oscar trashes greedy rich people in his letter and reminds people to appreciate less as, he spent his salary of 150 pounds a year that he got from family and friends on booze and prostitutes Of course, I understand that his fall from grace fucked him up real good and he couldn t make his exile in Paris a true home for him, and needed coping mechanism for all of his fatal losses lack of status, no money, Bosie gone, Constance dead Society takes it upon itself the right to inflict appalling punishment on the individual, but it also has the supreme vice of shallowness and fails to realise what it has done When the man s punishment is over, it leaves him to himself that is to say, it abandons him at the very moment when its highest duty towards him begins Oscar knew that society, as we have constituted it, will have no place for me, has none to offer nonetheless, I can t help but think that Oscar was definitely not a person who practiced what he preached He ll be forever my trash son, don t get me wrong, but when you look at his life after his imprisonment, he didn t follow through with his resolutions from De Profundis.The one thing that legit could make me cry for days is the fact that in his letter, Oscar still had so much hope for the future, for him as an artist he wanted to create He genuinely thought he would write again The fact that he only managed to publish one narrative poem within the three years that he had left of his life, makes me incredibly sad It s one of the reasons why I appreciate Reading Goal so much, it ll forever be my favourite work of his.For anyone who is interested in Oscar, not just an artist but as a person, De Profundis is an essential read It gives you a unique insight into his mind and how he coped with his fall from grace In it, he claims that Bosie kept him from being creative, that he didn t finish anything during his time at his side i.e the unfinished A Florentine Tragedy or La Sainte Courtisane His words are vicious and ruthless He wrote certain passages simply to hurt Bosie, to finally evoke a reaction from him It s a testimony of their toxic relationship, at the end of their time together both of them were left drained and hollow, yet couldn t stay away from one another Most people are other people Their thoughts are some one else s opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation It s a horrible letter, really, and yet the most beautiful and important thing Oscar has ever written We finally see the man behind his mask, Oscar behind his constructed facade


  5. Paquita Maria Sanchez Paquita Maria Sanchez says:

    I am giving this a lower rating than it technically deserves, due to some of my personal beliefs that are important enough to me that I am unwilling to ignore them in a review where they are so entirely relevant to the book at hand As a piece of writing, it is several synonyms for luscious and tragically chest stabby However, underneath the primary and quite applicable to post 3 decades on Earth me themes of looking back on many a wasted year and regretting a lot of the selfish and short sight I am giving this a lower rating than it technically deserves, due to some of my personal beliefs that are important enough to me that I am unwilling to ignore them in a review where they are so entirely relevant to the book at hand As a piece of writing, it is several synonyms for luscious and tragically chest stabby However, underneath the primary and quite applicable to post 3 decades on Earth me themes of looking back on many a wasted year and regretting a lot of the selfish and short sighted decisions one makes in a lifetime, there is Wilde s conclusions that faith in Jesus and rolling about in debilitating regret are the only ways out of the pickle that is taking stock of your life I ve been hearing that bull for as long as I can remember and from a plethora of sources such as random Southerners, television shows, extended relatives, teachers, etc, and the fact that even Oscar Wilde eventually drew such conclusions makes me feelthan a little bit doomed So, Wilde s 5 star writing a 0 grade on the final rounded up because the other students in class did an even worse job 3 stars I hope my bias is clear, and that anyone reading this review knows that if you don t find it niggling to be preached at, you would probably really enjoy this short, beautiful work.Oh, one last thought if you think this review is freakim emo, you should read the book It makes my grumble mumbles look like glittery rainbow unicorns


  6. Vivian Vivian says:

    When faced with the abyss before you, is there only emptiness or is there a new beginning This is an intensely personal examination of Wilde s journey during incarceration It follows the Stages of Grief and intertwines the religious with art It has some incredible observations that made me examine my own thoughts and assumptions But it is a very unimaginative nature that only cares for people on their pedestals A pedestal may be a very unreal thing A pillory is a terrific reality They sh When faced with the abyss before you, is there only emptiness or is there a new beginning This is an intensely personal examination of Wilde s journey during incarceration It follows the Stages of Grief and intertwines the religious with art It has some incredible observations that made me examine my own thoughts and assumptions But it is a very unimaginative nature that only cares for people on their pedestals A pedestal may be a very unreal thing A pillory is a terrific reality They should have known also how to interpret sorrow better I have said that behind sorrow there is always sorrow It were wiser still to say that behind sorrow there is always a soul And to mock at a soul in pain is a dreadful thing In the strangely simple economy of the world people only get what they give, and to those who have not enough imagination to penetrate the mere outward of things, and feel pity, what pity can be given save that of scorn


  7. Maria Espadinha Maria Espadinha says:

    1 Acto Uma Parteira Chamada Dor Suffering is really a revelation One discerns things one s never discerned before 2 Acto A Roda dos Opostos I turned the good things of my life to evil and the evil things of my life to good 3 Acto A Experi ncia Constr i o Ser To regret one s own experience is to arrest one s own development Cai o Pano No fim de tudo o que h a reter, que quem trilha o Caminho do Puro Prazer, est na verdade a trilhar o Caminho da Dor sem o saber.Quer nos agra 1 Acto Uma Parteira Chamada Dor Suffering is really a revelation One discerns things one s never discerned before 2 Acto A Roda dos Opostos I turned the good things of my life to evil and the evil things of my life to good 3 Acto A Experi ncia Constr i o Ser To regret one s own experience is to arrest one s own development Cai o Pano No fim de tudo o que h a reter, que quem trilha o Caminho do Puro Prazer, est na verdade a trilhar o Caminho da Dor sem o saber.Quer nos agrade quer n o , Dor e Prazer nasceram casados e assim permanecer o


  8. Alice Poon Alice Poon says:

    A piece of beautiful, honest, philosophical writing that flows from a chastened soul.Passages that tug at my heartstringsTo regret one s own experiences is to arrest one s own development To deny one s own experiences is to put a lie into the lips of one s own life It is no less than a denial of the soul Truth in art is the unity of a thing with itself the outward rendered expressive of the inward the soul made incarnate the body instinct with spirit Now it seems to me that love of so A piece of beautiful, honest, philosophical writing that flows from a chastened soul.Passages that tug at my heartstringsTo regret one s own experiences is to arrest one s own development To deny one s own experiences is to put a lie into the lips of one s own life It is no less than a denial of the soul Truth in art is the unity of a thing with itself the outward rendered expressive of the inward the soul made incarnate the body instinct with spirit Now it seems to me that love of some kind is the only possible explanation of the extraordinary amount of suffering that there is in the world I cannot conceive of any other explanation I am convinced that there is no other, and that if the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection Pleasure for the beautiful body, but pain for the beautiful soul Time and space, succession and extension, are merely accidental conditions of thought, the imagination can transcend them and move in a free sphere of ideal existences Things also are in their essence of what we choose to make them a thing is according to the mode in which we look at it


  9. Mark Mark says:

    In the letter Wilde wrote to his friend Robert Ross enclosing this extended essay he finishes with a beautiful image On the other side of the prison wall there are some poor black soot besmirched trees which are just breaking out into buds of an almost shrill gren I know quite well what they are going through They are finding expression.These lovely few sentences capture quite marvelously the thrust of this book It is an account of Wilde s re birth from in amidst the degradation and cruel In the letter Wilde wrote to his friend Robert Ross enclosing this extended essay he finishes with a beautiful image On the other side of the prison wall there are some poor black soot besmirched trees which are just breaking out into buds of an almost shrill gren I know quite well what they are going through They are finding expression.These lovely few sentences capture quite marvelously the thrust of this book It is an account of Wilde s re birth from in amidst the degradation and cruel shaming brought about by his arrest and imprisonment From out of the depths of his sorrow and bitterness you see the pushing upwards of a soul seeking to be at rights with himself and the world This is not an essay filled with witticisms or sharp aphorisms but it is, as he might have said at another time, bejewelled with turns of phrase and ideas which really move His humility and genuine acknowledgement of his own responsibilities does not lessen the sense of heartbreak that you read betwen the lines I grew careless of the lives of others I tok pleasure where it pleased me and passed on I forgot that every little action of the common day makes or unmakes character..i was no longer the captain of my soul, and did not know itThis book is fascinating because you read Oscar Wilde s journey as he moves to a fuller and freer wisdom and the centrality of his sense of being in posession of his soul, his real self It reminded me of that quotation from Edith Wharton in The touchstone where she writes something like we live in our souls as if an unmapped region a small area of which we have cleared for our own habitation Wilde is struggling and succeeding to take posession ofandof his mysterious hinterland A journey with an amazingly open and honest guide.At one point he writes of his plans for the next 18 months after his release, sadly this was all he was to have before his death but he states that if i may not write beautiful books, I may at least read beautiful books and what joy can be greater Oscar, I couldn t have said it better myself


  10. Quirkyreader Quirkyreader says:

    This is one of the letters Wilde wrote while in prison It is very heart felt and references many of the things he studied while at Oxford.